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guardians_song) wrote2013-08-12 11:17 pm
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Happens loads and loads of times in Fan Fiction, where, because Most Fanfic Writers Are Girls, the usual genders are most frequently seen flipped, with the female getting double-teamed by the two hot male characters the fic writer can't choose between.
Dear TV Tropes: consider that OT3s are sometimes not a matter of "can't choose", but rather CHOOSES BOTH.
No love,
Guardian's Song
(And yaaaaaay, totally handwaving every fic where it's two OR MORE girls and a guy! I totally imagined all those Harem Fics on FF.net, guys!)
My apologies, but I've shifted over the years from automatically mocking the "fanbrats" to regarding the more "enlightened" fans with as much suspicion as their simpler counterparts. There's an awful damn lot of talking down to female fans when male fans are let off with a smile and a wink, for one.
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I also note sullenly that the Rooting For The Empire page looks an awful lot like the Draco In Leather Pants page from the other side of the strawman. Take that as you will.
Though it does have at least one wonderful quote.
"[...] Twilight features the three tracker vampires who are trying to kill Bella, which is seen by some as a sympathetic aim. "
And this linked page (http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/theories/arag_arw.htm) has one very amusing quote:
"How would you react if the descendent of Charlemagne showed up in Paris today to claim kingship over France, bringing in the shroud of Turin as the evidence?"
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TL;DR - TV Tropes is at its best when people aren't opining on things, since it's not exactly objective, despite all pretenses. Fortunately, I was mainly on TV Tropes to read through the Yandere page... :D Wish there were more examples of two-way yanderes, but I suppose one has to do that oneself.
Incidentally, for all that they're called such by some antis, Bella and Edward are really not yanderes. They talk a big game about how yandere they are, but they do very little in the way of showing that obsession. I mean, remember that part where Bella tracked Edward across the country rather than let him escape? Oh, good, neither do I. Remember the part where Edward solved the entire "my family is full of carnivores" problem by grabbing Bella and forcibly "eloping" to another state, well away from the other Cullens? Well, good, neither do I. Those are admittedly outright loony examples, but frankly, Edward's canonical murderous behavior isn't truly yandere. When he gets homicidal ideas about the werewolves because Bella's around them, it's because he can't bear to share Bella with THEM, not because he can't bear to SHARE BELLA with them. When he thinks about tearing human love interests to pieces, it's not out-of-the-ordinary behavior - he USUALLY wants to kill people who annoy or appeal to him, so what's new?
Bella gets kind of yandere, but IIRC only towards New-Moon!Jacob (when she's thinking about making him hers) - her nominal inferiority complex prevents her from getting overly possessive regarding Edward. ...She also gets yandere about Renesmee, come to think of it, but let's not think about that too hard.
As for the non-creepy yandere traits? I REALLY don't think New Moon counts, because Edward voluntarily separated himself from Bella and then wangsted about it. Bella's behavior would count much more if she'd actually tried to get the REAL Edward back, but instead she was a bit too occupied with psychotic delusions to do much aside from attempting to manipulate the voices in her head. The LITERAL voices in her head. Others may count that as genuine yandere behavior, but I have a hard time taking her behavior towards delusion!Edward as indicating much of anything when she was a hop, skip, and a jump away from making out with a trampoline and calling salt shakers her children. I think of yandere status as requiring more... conscious behavior.
Hell, ALICE is about as yandere as Edward. She happily looks forward to becoming friends with a girl she doesn't even know at the time, tries to shove Edward into romancing a girl his conscience doesn't want him to get anywhere near partly so she and that girl will become BFFs, makes that girl wear the clothes of her choosing whenever she can, personally heads back to check on that girl during New Moon (and Carlisle and Esme were... what? Just doing their nails and watching Mexican soap operas?), apparently spent time dressing that girl up while she lay half-dead, throws tantrums when that girl deviates from her plan, meticulously planned out a wardrobe the size of a small house for that girl... Yeah, about as yandere as Edward. (If not more so... Just remember, she wasn't working off a confused predatory compulsion that turned into a protection complex. Nope, that's all Alice talking. *wolf whislte*)
So, really? Bella and Edward are shitty yanderes. They ramble on about how obsessed they are, but when it actually comes time for them to do something really over-the-top and terrify the audience, they... wimp out. (Yes, I remember the watching-her-sleep. So? That's apparently all he does. He could be surfing OhNoTheyDidn't all night while sitting next to her and we'd never know. Not exactly impressive on the batshit-insane scale.)
Dear TV Tropes: consider that OT3s are sometimes not a matter of "can't choose", but rather CHOOSES BOTH.
No love,
Guardian's Song
(And yaaaaaay, totally handwaving every fic where it's two OR MORE girls and a guy! I totally imagined all those Harem Fics on FF.net, guys!)
My apologies, but I've shifted over the years from automatically mocking the "fanbrats" to regarding the more "enlightened" fans with as much suspicion as their simpler counterparts. There's an awful damn lot of talking down to female fans when male fans are let off with a smile and a wink, for one.
--
I also note sullenly that the Rooting For The Empire page looks an awful lot like the Draco In Leather Pants page from the other side of the strawman. Take that as you will.
Though it does have at least one wonderful quote.
"[...] Twilight features the three tracker vampires who are trying to kill Bella, which is seen by some as a sympathetic aim. "
And this linked page (http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/theories/arag_arw.htm) has one very amusing quote:
"How would you react if the descendent of Charlemagne showed up in Paris today to claim kingship over France, bringing in the shroud of Turin as the evidence?"
--
TL;DR - TV Tropes is at its best when people aren't opining on things, since it's not exactly objective, despite all pretenses. Fortunately, I was mainly on TV Tropes to read through the Yandere page... :D Wish there were more examples of two-way yanderes, but I suppose one has to do that oneself.
Incidentally, for all that they're called such by some antis, Bella and Edward are really not yanderes. They talk a big game about how yandere they are, but they do very little in the way of showing that obsession. I mean, remember that part where Bella tracked Edward across the country rather than let him escape? Oh, good, neither do I. Remember the part where Edward solved the entire "my family is full of carnivores" problem by grabbing Bella and forcibly "eloping" to another state, well away from the other Cullens? Well, good, neither do I. Those are admittedly outright loony examples, but frankly, Edward's canonical murderous behavior isn't truly yandere. When he gets homicidal ideas about the werewolves because Bella's around them, it's because he can't bear to share Bella with THEM, not because he can't bear to SHARE BELLA with them. When he thinks about tearing human love interests to pieces, it's not out-of-the-ordinary behavior - he USUALLY wants to kill people who annoy or appeal to him, so what's new?
Bella gets kind of yandere, but IIRC only towards New-Moon!Jacob (when she's thinking about making him hers) - her nominal inferiority complex prevents her from getting overly possessive regarding Edward. ...She also gets yandere about Renesmee, come to think of it, but let's not think about that too hard.
As for the non-creepy yandere traits? I REALLY don't think New Moon counts, because Edward voluntarily separated himself from Bella and then wangsted about it. Bella's behavior would count much more if she'd actually tried to get the REAL Edward back, but instead she was a bit too occupied with psychotic delusions to do much aside from attempting to manipulate the voices in her head. The LITERAL voices in her head. Others may count that as genuine yandere behavior, but I have a hard time taking her behavior towards delusion!Edward as indicating much of anything when she was a hop, skip, and a jump away from making out with a trampoline and calling salt shakers her children. I think of yandere status as requiring more... conscious behavior.
Hell, ALICE is about as yandere as Edward. She happily looks forward to becoming friends with a girl she doesn't even know at the time, tries to shove Edward into romancing a girl his conscience doesn't want him to get anywhere near partly so she and that girl will become BFFs, makes that girl wear the clothes of her choosing whenever she can, personally heads back to check on that girl during New Moon (and Carlisle and Esme were... what? Just doing their nails and watching Mexican soap operas?), apparently spent time dressing that girl up while she lay half-dead, throws tantrums when that girl deviates from her plan, meticulously planned out a wardrobe the size of a small house for that girl... Yeah, about as yandere as Edward. (If not more so... Just remember, she wasn't working off a confused predatory compulsion that turned into a protection complex. Nope, that's all Alice talking. *wolf whislte*)
So, really? Bella and Edward are shitty yanderes. They ramble on about how obsessed they are, but when it actually comes time for them to do something really over-the-top and terrify the audience, they... wimp out. (Yes, I remember the watching-her-sleep. So? That's apparently all he does. He could be surfing OhNoTheyDidn't all night while sitting next to her and we'd never know. Not exactly impressive on the batshit-insane scale.)
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That site's becoming a buttload of whiny entitled fans lately. More so than usual. I just had an argument with someone on the FE Awakening YMMV page who was all butthurt about no male Manaketes and Earth Dragons being always evil and he kept deleting my points about how females are more hated than males. I finally had to let him add his shit back to the page so he'd stop deleting mine.
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"Happens loads and loads of times in Fan Fiction, where, because Most Fanfic Writers Are Girls, the usual genders are most frequently seen flipped, with the female getting double-teamed by the two hot male characters the fic writer can't choose between.
* Or sometimes, between three hot male characters in the "female" position. "
I didn't delete it because I don't have an account and I wouldn't be sure what the etiquette on editing Trope pages is if I did, but... *groaaaan*
"That site's becoming a buttload of whiny entitled fans lately. More so than usual."
It's good if you stay off the subjective pages, but once you get onto the fandom-related tropes... D|
"I just had an argument with someone on the FE Awakening YMMV page who was all butthurt about no male Manaketes and Earth Dragons being always evil and he kept deleting my points about how females are more hated than males. I finally had to let him add his shit back to the page so he'd stop deleting mine."
No male Manaketes? Nonsense! I killed one in Sacred Stones, and FE6 had you beat one up too! :P
(Seriously, what a weird thing to complain about. I'd like male Manaketes just because I want to build a Manakete army I like diversity, but it's not as if it's ~sexism~. There are NPC male Manaketes - the series just giggles too much over the cute-little-girl -> OMG WTF DRAGON dichotomy to have them take up the 50-use GameBreaker slot.
As for the Earth Dragons - one could carp just as much about Fire Dragons being treated as uniformly antagonistic in Elibe. :P Or about "Dark" Dragons being treated as evil in most media! C'mon, whiny fan iz whiny...)
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No male Manaketes? Nonsense! I killed one in Sacred Stones, and FE6 had you beat one up too! :P
No playable male Manaketes, actually. Though I heard Morva was supposed to originally be playable.
(Seriously, what a weird thing to complain about. I'd like male Manaketes just because I want to build a Manakete army I like diversity, but it's not as if it's ~sexism~. There are NPC male Manaketes - the series just giggles too much over the cute-little-girl -> OMG WTF DRAGON dichotomy to have them take up the 50-use GameBreaker slot.
Me too. I would've loved DLC Xane or Bantu or Gotoh myself, but, well.
As for the Earth Dragons - one could carp just as much about Fire Dragons being treated as uniformly antagonistic in Elibe. :P Or about "Dark" Dragons being treated as evil in most media! C'mon, whiny fan iz whiny...)
Definitely a Rooting For the Empire/DILP fan here. I only conceded to let them have their way so they'd stop whining, but they're still an idiot.
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Ah. :D;; Good.
"No playable male Manaketes, actually. Though I heard Morva was supposed to originally be playable."
Ah. Well, it is a slight issue, but not a matter for ~major bitching~ or anything. :P
"Me too. I would've loved DLC Xane or Bantu or Gotoh myself, but, well."
Or, heck, DLC!Jahn. Stuff him, Zephiel, and Roy into an army together for a good laugh. (Then again, there weren't many DLC!Manaketes, were they? IIRC, I can only remember Tiki, who's mainly amusing for comparing her to a fresh Tiki and seeing which stats she gained/lost over the centuries.)
"Definitely a Rooting For the Empire/DILP fan here. I only conceded to let them have their way so they'd stop whining, but they're still an idiot."
Blaaaah. D| If I ever get a real hankering for that, I'll hack a Sacred Stones ROM to swap Nils's sprite for Myrrh's, palette-swap the dragon battle-sprite, and go to town. :P
(Or hack in Jahn, but that would really take a lot of work, right? :\)
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(Nope, only Tiki was in the DLC/Spotpass. No Myrrh or Fa D:)
Exactly! Hacks exist for a reason!
(And yes, Lyssie's post is attacking that sort of attitude. If Mila's as humiliated and fuming as Cassie is, she's done PART of her job. The other part is to make Patrick stop shoving weepy Gangrel yaoi in her face.)
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(Ah, dangit. Can you imagine? What if you got DLC!Aenir? 8D)
"(And yes, Lyssie's post is attacking that sort of attitude. If Mila's as humiliated and fuming as Cassie is, she's done PART of her job. The other part is to make Patrick stop shoving weepy Gangrel yaoi in her face.)"
(Mila) I CAN'T TALK TO YOU!11!! *FLOUNCE* (/Mila)
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Poor Mila except not really. XD Don't worry, Cassie believes you and is on your side!
Rod: stfu just get naked and have a naked catfight and then fuck each other
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Nergal: Ugh... What is it, wretch? I'm busy...
Aenir: ...
Nergal: !
That's... strange. Do I... know you?
Aenir: ...
Nergal: *frustrated expression* ...Pah. It's nothing.
Gah... My head...
Aenir: *disappears offscreen*
SFX: *ROAR*
Nergal: !!! What in - AGH!
I won't forget this...!
[End Support]
(And then you go up to re-S, I suppose.)
"Poor Mila except not really. XD Don't worry, Cassie believes you and is on your side!"
Mila: Don't make me sound like Zacharias and Essie!
"Rod: stfu just get naked and have a naked catfight and then fuck each other"
Milos: *turns green* Uh... yeah... y' tell me how that goes... *goes off to spy on Kristan and Morgan*
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Cassie/Mila OTP?
Rod: o yeah sry shes ur sister. then cassie and lyssie can do it!!!!!
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"Cassie/Mila OTP?"
Sure, why not. :P Theirloveissopretentiouslymeta!
"Rod: o yeah sry shes ur sister. then cassie and lyssie can do it!!!!!"
Cassie: Blahblahblah pretentious meta!
Lyssie: Blahblahblah you suck and here's why!
Cassie: B-baka! You just - just don't understand me at all! Or my tragic past!
Lyssie: T-that's totally no excuse! It isn't...
Cassie: *tsundere sobbing* G-go away!
Lyssie: Oh, Cassie! Come here, and I will heal your soul with tl;dr essays and indignation!
Cassie: What?! No healing therapy sex from my one true love?!
Lyssie: Then we'll have sex!
*and they bang*
Milos: ...*nodnod* Yeeeee-up!
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Rod: and add hannah to the mix she's hawt and cynical and wants to bang lyssie and cassie needs all the sexing she can get hehehehehe
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"There's an awful damn lot of talking down to female fans when male fans are let off with a smile and a wink, for one."
Especially since it's been my experience that the works produced by obnoxious male fans are every bit as bad as those produced by obnoxious female fans, if not WORSE (case in point: I know they're both trollfics, but which is more insulting, "My Immortal"--which reads like a Mary Sue fic written by a girl--or "Naruto Veangance Revelaitons"--which reads like a Mary Sue fic written by a boy?).
This was a huge problem in the amateur work "Mills College Anime Club," in fact. I remember the closest thing to a main character was a Yaoi fangirl who constantly subscribed to all the worst stereotypes and was picked on for it, whereas the Yuri fanboys the story bothered to show us were tolerated much better and portrayed with somewhat more sympathy, even if they had weird obsessions too (one even yelled at said main character over her obsessions).
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"but which is more insulting, "My Immortal"--which reads like a Mary Sue fic written by a girl--or "Naruto Veangance Revelaitons"--which reads like a Mary Sue fic written by a boy?)."
...Hm. That's also a good point, but I hadn't had the guts to say it.
(All I know about MCAC is that it was absolutely horrendous and has scarred itself into the racial memory of the Internet. Sounds like it deserves its rep, though.)