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So, since my Dreamwidth f-list is pretty small right now...
Let's contemplate what would happened if infamous badficcer Cori Falls had been a Fire Emblem fan rather than a Pokemon fan.
FE6:
-Roy is a big evil meanie-pants who picks on Zephiel, who just wasn't loved enough as a child.
-Zephiel/Brunya, I suppose?
-A Jahn fangirl would have joined up with Cori and written her self-insert OC into a pairing with Jahn, who has mysteriously grown emotions.Well, he obviously has emotions, but "non-self-righteous ***hole" emotions, I mean.
-Desmond would be resurrected at least once to be put through an incredibly humiliating and undignified second deathand everyone would remember this as The One Thing Cori Did Right.
-The Bern army would be a loving and benevolent place not at all focused on world conquest.
-At least one War Dragon of abnormal intelligence would be converted into a wise-cracking loudmouth obsessed with Zephiel and Brunya's sex life.
-The entire issue with Idoun would be completely whitewashed. That, or we'd find out she enjoyed being brainwashed. Or something.
Any other suggestions, Sarajayechan?I'll post FE7 and FE8 speculations later. :P
FE6:
-Roy is a big evil meanie-pants who picks on Zephiel, who just wasn't loved enough as a child.
-Zephiel/Brunya, I suppose?
-A Jahn fangirl would have joined up with Cori and written her self-insert OC into a pairing with Jahn, who has mysteriously grown emotions.
-Desmond would be resurrected at least once to be put through an incredibly humiliating and undignified second death
-The Bern army would be a loving and benevolent place not at all focused on world conquest.
-At least one War Dragon of abnormal intelligence would be converted into a wise-cracking loudmouth obsessed with Zephiel and Brunya's sex life.
-The entire issue with Idoun would be completely whitewashed. That, or we'd find out she enjoyed being brainwashed. Or something.
Any other suggestions, Sarajayechan?I'll post FE7 and FE8 speculations later. :P
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Ohhh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, Cori could find some way to make both Robins exist without the incest angle.
I'll take it as the Japanese 'I'm hiding my pain behind a smile and being a class-clown to get attention' trope that seems to be favored with some shonen protags. :P
XD
He's like... the fusion of Nino and Jaffar gone VERY VERY right WRONG. 'I'm BOTH an assassin with suppressed emotions and a peppy child prodigy from a background of abuse! Awesome!'
Maybe he's a descendant of theirs through Raigh! XD
Isn't that the POINT of the Avatar? :P (You forgot 'awesome tactical abilities' and 'coming back from the dead'.)
Exactly. XD But Cori would turn it from a fun game into MY HEADCANON IS BETTER THAN YOUR CANON and just...wangst it up. Like crazy.
The only possible subversion is the implication that, if the Avatar HADN'T been accidentally memory-wiped, he/she would have not formed bonds to the same extent and instead become Grima without great resistance. (Yes, I know Lucina is the other divergence, but... it's interesting that Avatar presumably WASN'T amnesiac in the first timeline...)
Yep.
Hehehe... Cori's fics were really less one badficcer and more an entire cracked worldview, weren't they? I'll give her credit for that. Most of the time, it's just 'How would they completely botch, misinterpret, and fail to understand the most basic facets of canon?', but with her, it's 'What does this translate into in Corispeak?'
Exactly. XD It's so easy to imagine ordinary things in Corispeak.
(and holy shit I just realized Vaike and Tharja could be like the bastard lovechild of Ash Hull/Delia and James's parents. @_@ One lethal dumbass and one psycho bitch.)
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Somehow.
RAIGH? *looks up*
...Oh, WOW, the translations have gone nuts. XD
Yeah! His hair color came from... um, Sophia? ...After enough generations? :D;;
To be fair to Cori, she basically stated at some point that (in modern terms) any detailed headcanon is better than canon because the fans care much more about it than the writers do. So she was the classic Entitled Fan, but... at least she was faithful to her own kind? :S (After all the elitism-wars in fandom, I take that as a relatively good thing.)
But YES, THE WANGST. She turned NON-Sueish characters into Sues - can you imagine what she'd do with an already-Sueish character?!
Like... just about anything. I can't even figure out which way she'd go on Naruto - whether she'd turn Naruto into this weeping, angsting dishrag because of the repeated comments that his prankster exterior is to hide his inner pain and loneliness, or whether she'd bash him through a wall because OMG DUMB SHONEN HERO.
And, on the Black/White front, she'd probably bash Cheren, because HE'S JUST A POMPOUS ASSHOLE WHO DOESN'T CAAAARE ABOUT POKEMON... or something. Meanwhile, she'd probably have Touko JOIN Team Plasma, because N IS PERFECT BEING AND GHETSIS IS THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THEIR IDEOLOGY. And Bianca would be made to SEE THE LIGHT, too...
BAHAHA, we have just found FE!Cori's OTP-for-all-the-wrong-reasons. XD
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Totally, lol.
To be fair to Cori, she basically stated at some point that (in modern terms) any detailed headcanon is better than canon because the fans care much more about it than the writers do. So she was the classic Entitled Fan, but... at least she was faithful to her own kind? :S (After all the elitism-wars in fandom, I take that as a relatively good thing.)
True. :/ At least Cori stuck to her principles, whacked-out as they were.
Robin is a FUN Mary Sue character. :P She'd make him/her not so much fun.
Oh God, who even knows? XD Same with Stan from South Park if she'd been into it enough to write it. OMG DUMB KID HERO or poor cynical woobie trapped in a shitty situation with an evol sister and dumb townspeople?
Yeah, and she'd make Team Plasma into a bunch of good guys with a retirement package and pension plan for when N and Hilda conceived their first lovechild and got married.
Yep. XD Too bad, cause Vaike/Tharja would be an amusing pairing on its own.
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Yeeeah, but I'm going to keep calling him Ray, 'kthx. D8 No wonder he's such a brat, he must have been extensively bullied as a child...
"True. :/ At least Cori stuck to her principles, whacked-out as they were."
She's strangely unusual in that sense. The more psychopathic mega-Suethors tend to mock other people for exactly their worst habits, but she was quite open about her worst habits (though she didn't seem to understand exactly how frightening multiple nervous breakdowns over FICTIONAL CHARACTERS were O_O). She'd be a breath of clean air if not for the batshittery... :\
"Oh God, who even knows? XD Same with Stan from South Park if she'd been into it enough to write it. OMG DUMB KID HERO or poor cynical woobie trapped in a shitty situation with an evol sister and dumb townspeople?"
No, obviously CARTMAN is the dumb kid hero-asshole. The tagline would change from 'OMG, they killed Kenny!' to 'OMG, they killed Cartman! ...Again!' :P
And she'd actually be on-target for once"Yeah, and she'd make Team Plasma into a bunch of good guys with a retirement package and pension plan for when N and Hilda conceived their first lovechild and got married."
And then she'd smugly take B2W2 as 'confirmation' of her fics, enough so that she'd graciously alter her fics to have N/Hilda meeting again and getting married AFTER two years had passed. And she'd have Rosa having a double wedding with Hugh.
And she'd write them taking down the evil!Team Plasma with THE POWER OF LOVE~~~"Yep. XD Too bad, cause Vaike/Tharja would be an amusing pairing on its own."
It is a pairing... but it would undoubtedly be the "Botch and Crappidy" of her fics. :P
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Man, do you realize this is at 128 comments? Cori Falls: the Suethor who never stopped giving.
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Definitely, at least she admitted to being oversensitive. If only she could realize that was kind of a PROBLEM considering said breakdowns.
LOL! Much as I love to hate Cartman, he would deserve it. Especially in the later seasons.
Yeah, I'm a Kyle fan.Kyle and Stan would morph into wounded perfect sensitive male woobies and Wendy into an Angel!Sue and Butters into a knight and Kenny...wait, Kenny already is a broken woobie. But she'd make him worse.LOL, pretty much. And Nate doesn't exist because his hair is stupid so he MUST be a dumb shounen protag!!!
Holy shit, it is. @_@ I know it's kind of messed up for two people to go on and on about one Suethor who's been out of fandom for that long, but...she left such a legacy. It's hard not to.
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With Raigh, I just think "RAAAAAAAAAAAIGH" or FE!Reddit Raighcomics. I don't even see how they GET Raigh from "Re * I". o_o
"Definitely, at least she admitted to being oversensitive. If only she could realize that was kind of a PROBLEM considering said breakdowns."
I think she did realize it was a problem, but... not that it was a REALLY BIG problem, you know? On the level of "I snack too much" or "I oversleep on weekends" rather than "I may need to take a break from fandom". (In all fairness, she did in the end.)
"Kenny...wait, Kenny already is a broken woobie. But she'd make him worse."
Don't be silly! She'd make him Meowth! (He's really babbling the world's best snark through his hoodie. Only his friends can speak
PokemonKennylish, though. :P)"And Nate doesn't exist because his hair is stupid so he MUST be a dumb shounen protag!!!"
Well, he shows up at Battle Subway, so maybe he's just an unimportant side-character. But she'd probably bash Cheren because she didn't like him from B1W1 and bash various random people for not UNDERSTANDING HUGH'S PAIN. (And there'd be at least one Ash Expy in the evil!Team Plasma. 'DURRRR I WANNA BE A POKEMON MASTER DURRRRR')
"Holy shit, it is. @_@ I know it's kind of messed up for two people to go on and on about one Suethor who's been out of fandom for that long, but...she left such a legacy. It's hard not to."
Yeah, and I'll give Cori credit on the following fronts:
* She covered a large chunk of the canon from beginning to (her) end.
* She covered the backstories of her favorite characters (and of their parents, etc.) in great depth.
* She covered the futures of her favorite characters in (FAR TOO MUCH) depth.
* She covered the main side-characters as well.
* She kept her own versions of the characterizations consistent.
* She conveyed real emotion (if REALLY OVERDONE EMOTION) in her characters.
* She managed to keep it all in the same universe without tripping over herself too many times (which is more than some profic authors can manage).
* She wrapped up all loose ends (and in fact dedicated a massive trilogy, a literally-novel-length backstory, and an irritatingly long future-fic to doing so).
She may have done a great deal of that with the aid of Xeroxed characterizations, epic wish-fulfillment, and extreme wangst and glurge, but she nonetheless did it. Corny and horrendous as it was, she outdid bad proficcers in many of those areas, and did it for no pay whatsoever (and apparently while holding down a job). Batshit, ridiculous, and jammed full of unfortunate characterizations as it was, there really was a WYDSverse, rather than just a hashed-out 'OMG TWERPZ SUK TR ROOLZ!!1!!' cardboard sheet like a lot of bashfic. And it was a FINISHED 'verse, rather than one the author cultivated for two years* and then dumped for a new fandom. ...So I really have to give her credit for all of that. And I swear I wouldn't carp about the WYDSverse so much if I wasn't so disappointed at what could have been.
*Not calling out any 'verses here - this seems to be the general attention span for epic!'verse authors, due to real life and changing interests and the like. Heck, this even holds for one Harry Potter 'verse that got finished - the author, being apparently some sort of alien machine sent to Earth to write the best HP AU ever, managed to output seven massive fics averaging about 430K each between 9-15-05 and 1-5-07. O_O
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Ohhh yeah. XD Waving pompoms and cheering on Stan and Wendy's perfect lovemaking and all that.
Poor Cheren. D: Though wouldn't Shigeru1313 eventually convince her he was okay? Since above, you did mention her sneaking off with Cheren while Cori wept over N.
Yeah, and I'll give Cori credit on the following fronts:
* She covered a large chunk of the canon from beginning to (her) end.
* She covered the backstories of her favorite characters (and of their parents, etc.) in great depth.
* She covered the futures of her favorite characters in (FAR TOO MUCH) depth.
* She covered the main side-characters as well.
* She kept her own versions of the characterizations consistent.
* She conveyed real emotion (if REALLY OVERDONE EMOTION) in her characters.
* She managed to keep it all in the same universe without tripping over herself too many times (which is more than some profic authors can manage).
* She wrapped up all loose ends (and in fact dedicated a massive trilogy, a literally-novel-length backstory, and an irritatingly long future-fic to doing so).
Yep. Like I said, she sure was dedicated. I do have to hand it to her for not half-assing everything and knowing the meaning of consistency-at least within her own characterizations. I can only think of the marriage goof-up between "Thrill of Defeat" and "Thorns of the Rose" as a serious inconsistency on her end.
She may have done a great deal of that with the aid of Xeroxed characterizations, epic wish-fulfillment, and extreme wangst and glurge, but she nonetheless did it. Corny and horrendous as it was, she outdid bad proficcers in many of those areas, and did it for no pay whatsoever (and apparently while holding down a job). Batshit, ridiculous, and jammed full of unfortunate characterizations as it was, there really was a WYDSverse, rather than just a hashed-out 'OMG TWERPZ SUK TR ROOLZ!!1!!' cardboard sheet like a lot of bashfic. And it was a FINISHED 'verse, rather than one the author cultivated for two years* and then dumped for a new fandom. ...So I really have to give her credit for all of that. And I swear I wouldn't carp about the WYDSverse so much if I wasn't so disappointed at what could have been.
Yeah. When it comes down to it, if you ignore the creepy implications and her shitty behavior she was just another fan having fun. And if she'd just stayed with that, rather than making the romance all yandere and nearly killing a twelve-year-old and showing her ass constantly in her rants...who knows? She could've been one of those fun guilty pleasure ficcers from the old days. The Pokemon world's answer to Catherine Anderson (at least for me, I don't know if you've read her stuff).
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*facepalm* Yes, you're totally right. Sorry, I've forgotten my own Cori!fanon.
" I can only think of the marriage goof-up between "Thrill of Defeat" and "Thorns of the Rose" as a serious inconsistency on her end."
In fairness, the first edition of Thrill of Defeat was written when Cori had a much more canon-esque view of the characters (to the point where it's scarcely recognizable as the same author), so it could be that she retained inconsistencies in the rewrite.
"Yeah. When it comes down to it, if you ignore the creepy implications and her shitty behavior she was just another fan having fun. And if she'd just stayed with that, rather than making the romance all yandere and nearly killing a twelve-year-old and showing her ass constantly in her rants...who knows? She could've been one of those fun guilty pleasure ficcers from the old days. The Pokemon world's answer to Catherine Anderson (at least for me, I don't know if you've read her stuff)."
Yep! And as is, she's a guilty-pleasure spork. XD;; (Seriously, she does make for a nice detox. It's like taking a time machine back to the days before everything was Problematic, back before YMMV, and back before everyone thought they were writing the Great American Fanfic. :P)
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Yeah, she forgot to edit TotR to conform with the new ToD.
I know, right? As it is, her fics and her attitude back then were creepy and horrible, but it's also kind of interesting to analyze her and imagine what she's like now that she's mellowed out. I think even before today's SJW culture it'd still be easy to see the horror and bad implications in her stuff, but even a batshit entitled brat is preferable to stuck-up elitists who think THEIR dry-as-paper genfics and ~mature, no-squeeing approach~ to fandom makes them better than all those icky icky fanbrats.
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Wonder who she would bash instead, though. :\ Maybe she'd pull a reformation on him like she did on that Yu-Gi-Oh character (Rex?). Did she not bash Yu-Gi-Oh characters permanently? I never saw any of her fics for that fandom...
"Yeah, she forgot to edit TotR to conform with the new ToD."
*nods* Well, to be fair, even obsession probably couldn't deal with editing across ALL of her fics. (And, sadly, it's almost IC for the mentally-unstable versions of Team Rocket that ran around in her fics. 'Did we say that? Oh, bugger, the haircut wiped our memory.)
"I know, right? As it is, her fics and her attitude back then were creepy and horrible, but it's also kind of interesting to analyze her and imagine what she's like now that she's mellowed out."
Probably an average fan with a chill attitude. *shrug* She was definitely bonkers in the WRH era, but at the same time... I've got to wonder if there was some real-life stress driving the apparent fandom lunacy, and honestly, 'nervous breakdowns' [to use her term] can make even the chillest fan act... slightly... off-kilter. So she probably acts like early!Cori Falls, possibly with a dollop of cynicism thrown in.
"I think even before today's SJW culture it'd still be easy to see the horror and bad implications in her stuff, but even a batshit entitled brat is preferable to stuck-up elitists who think THEIR dry-as-paper genfics and ~mature, no-squeeing approach~ to fandom makes them better than all those icky icky fanbrats."
*NOD* YES SHE DEFINITELY WAS
DEFINITELY
Eff it, you realize we might SYMPATHIZE with her if she'd appeared in this era? Obviously-very-sheltered, perhaps-not-quite-stable person being hounded by shrieking Social Justice goons? Yeah, she'd have MAJOR unfortunate implications all over the place, but the poor lady'd probably be receiving death threats. And it wouldn't hurt that we wouldn't be able to tell whether she just couldn't take criticism or whether she was lashing out over being told her stories were worse than the Holocaust and she should literally go die in a fire. :\
...Damn. Man, I'm... really glad, for both her and fandom, that she had her day before the SJWers moved in...
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Yeah, early!Cori was on the rabid side but she seemed like any other Rocketshipper. Maybe she lost her job or had a family crisis that made her lose it?
...oh my God. YES. There's a difference between "okay dude your fics and attitude suck ass, seriously" and SJWs telling you to go die in a fire. Cori was a lot of things, but she was NOT someone who would deserve a death threat. She just bullied people based on fandom preferences, SJWs bully people for sport.
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'For our own good! Surely! So we could grow!'
"Maybe she lost her job or had a family crisis that made her lose it?"
*shrug* Who can say? Maybe fandom fame went to her head, maybe money got tight - million things can make people get stressed out.
"...oh my God. YES. There's a difference between "okay dude your fics and attitude suck ass, seriously" and SJWs telling you to go die in a fire. Cori was a lot of things, but she was NOT someone who would deserve a death threat. She just bullied people based on fandom preferences, SJWs bully people for sport."
Yes, totally. And the funny thing is... she never really came across as understanding that other people could be hurt or offended by what she was saying. (As opposed to SJWs, who seem to have a refined and detailed understanding of just how much pain they can inflict on people... :\) Like... I really don't think she understood by the end that other people saw Ash as an innocent twelve-year-old rather than a complete psychopathic monster who totally deserved a beatdown. Part of that was early-fandom echo-chamber thinking, but part of that was just her being rather out of it/sheltered/whatever. So, for all that her fics are FUBAR (particularly towards the end), she was really a lot nicer than... a lot of the stuff floating around nowadays... :\
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...I never thought of it that way. There was definite malice and rage in her actions, but I never considered the fact that she might have been ignorant rather than outright mean. Like when she said "I don't understand how anyone can like death fics/Ash Ketchum", she really didn't understand. Ignorance coupled with myopia.
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Yep. She seemed well-meaning, but really... really... really... thick. (And bratty, but that sometimes results just from being both emotionally unstable and thick. :\) That's part of why I figure she's probably a much saner fan now - seen more of the world and how people work, you know? *shrug*
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Yeah, in your ToTR spork you wondered if she was abused somehow...maybe she was and it shaped her world views for a long time, and getting therapy helped her develop healthier ones.